LICENSING IN ONTARIO

Billy DeVries

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LICENSING IN ONTARIO

« on: September 11, 2009, 03:13:23 PM »

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Re: LICENSING IN ONTARIO

« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 01:35:12 PM »

Another Licensing Symposium has been scheduled to take place in Ottawa on Saturday, November 20, 2009. It is sponsored by another organization, but all Ontario inspectors and interested parties are more than welcome to attend and provide their opinions. Besides the panel listed below, we have received confirmation that several other influential people from outside the inspection industry will be in the audience as observers.

At the Montreal CAHPI Conference earlier this month, the topic of Licensing was on everybody's minds. It came up in every meeting I attended and it was part of pretty well every gathering in the restaurants and bars. The bottom line is that it is inevitable and is going to happen sooner than later. It makes sense for us to have as much control and input into the process as possible, because our industry has been told in no uncertain terms that if we don't look after licensing or regulating our industry, it will be done for us, and it might not resemble what we want at all. Here is the information for those who would like to attend.

Friday, November 20th, 2009
1:00 PM to 5:00 PM
Embassy West Hotel and Conference Center
(Panorama Room)
1400 Carling Avenue
Ottawa Ontario
1-800-267-8696
http://www.embassywesthotel.com
Conveniently located right off Queensway Highway 417 Exit 124 (Carling & Kirkwood)

PHPIO Members Pre-registration: $ 15.00 At the door: $25.00
Others Pre-registration: $ 25.00 At the door: $ 35.00

Moderator: Laura Leyser:
Director CREA, Past President OREA
Founding Member of the NCC (National Certification Council)

PANELISTS:

· Lindsay Caslick - Policy Advisor for The Hon. Ted McMeekin, Minister of Consumer Services of Ontario
· Diane Idelucca - President Ottawa BBB
· Claude Lawrenson - NCA Chair
· Bob Ridley - President GOHBA Customer Services
· Jim Robar - CMHC Retired
· Bryan Sehl - Manager Advisory Sales, Ottawa National Bank
· Rick Snell - President of the Ottawa Real Estate Board
. Representative from the Legal Profession/The Upper Canada Law Society

PHPIO is an independent, inclusive organization for Ontario Home Inspectors which fully supports and promotes the National Certification Program.

As licensing unfolds across our country the only designation that is recognized from coast to coast is that of the National Certificate Holder. While British Columbia has passed legislation recognizing the NCA/NCP, talks are underway in Atlantic Canada, Quebec, Alberta and Saskatchewan.
PHPIO offers every home inspector a chance to express their opinions on the structure of licensing and our future. No one else is giving you this chance. All Ontario home inspectors and other interested parties are invited to attend.

It's your future.......Be There!
Pre-register at info@phpio.ca Include full name, address & phone number.

or call 1-866-785-5355
(Visa & M/C accepted)


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John Umpleby

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Re: LICENSING IN ONTARIO

« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 05:57:35 PM »

I dont think there is enough profit for the government to step in . We (home inspectors)are a very small minority and it would cost the government more money to licence us than they making a proffit. Also i don't here of thousands of home inspectors causing homes to collapse on anyone or killing people in ontario. Just my thoughts.


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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2009, 08:25:31 AM »

If everyone would just ignore Bill Mullen this whole issue would go away. Licensing is a ruse to enrich the pockets of the controlling orgainization. I will take the required courses if the Bill Mullens of the world take them also. Everyone back to school for six months.

Bryce Jeffrey


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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 08:48:26 AM »

Bill Mullen already took all required the courses plus many more, and passed them all. That was after being a building contractor for 25 years, but when I decided to enter this industry, I realized there was much more to know and that sometimes you have to swallow your pride and learn from others.

Sorry, but you will not win many debating points challenging my education, experience or credentials. I make no apologies for trying to improve myself by taking every available course and participating in most conferences and meetings. It's called professional development, and apparently you feel you don't need to stay current.

Just how do you feel you are qualified to be a real home inspector, Bryce? Has anyone other than you yourself ever tested you or mentored you?

Licensing is moving across the country in a huge wave, so we had better be prepared. If you want no input into it, that's your right. However, I don't want someone from outside our industry dictating the rules.

Bill Mullen


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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 10:49:32 AM »

Well bill i have to agree, you are well educated in the field and i myself respect you. But on a political view i disagree strongly as you are well aware. renagade groups are not the way to get the so called job done. work with the groups that brought you this far and don't be a quitter!!
ps.We do not attack on a personal level that is not called for.


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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 11:12:06 AM »

John:

The personal attack by Bryce was against me, and I merely responded and defended myself. Do I not have the right to question the credentials of someone who has done the same to me ?

As for a 'renegade' group, I have no idea what you mean. If you refer to PHPIO, it is not fighting any other group. It is a free-standing, strong association with about 100 members which has a strong, clear mission and that is to promote and support the National Certification Program. We have the ear of many polticians, including a few cabinet ministers, with whom we communicate regularly. Licensing is on our doorstep.

PHPIO is also the only home inspection association in Canada that has been officially recognized as being in reasonable compliance with CAN-P-9 guidelines for certifying and accrediting organizations. In the world of certifying organizations, that is huge.

That makes it far superior to any 'renegade' group. It is in reality the leader of the pack as far as recognition and credibility goes. PHPIO doesn't just claim to have good qualities, requirements, standards and policies..........they have been judged by independent professional consultants to be the highest in Canada.

Bill Mullen


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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 12:15:30 PM »

First.....I was defending you Bill, (We do not attack on a personal level that is not called for)
I will respond soon on the rest!


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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 12:24:17 PM »

Why could you not gain the same result by sticking with the unamed groups you belonged to?
These groups were already willing and able to work with you to gain the same plan. You and other renagades decided that you could do a better job yourselves. I call upon you renagades to drop the other groups you belong to if thats how you truly feel. Divided you will stand!


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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 12:26:10 PM »

And sorry my spelling is weak!


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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2009, 12:59:42 PM »

Quote from: John Umpleby on November 03, 2009, 12:24:17 PM

John:

The only other provincial association I was a member of was OAHI/CAHPI Ontario, and I still am a member. Their leaders have been very clear that they do not support the National Certification Program or their own members. No other home inspection group in the province has indicated their willingness to work towards the goals or values of PHPIO.

PHPIO is proud to be leading the Ontario inspection industry into licensing, but we welcome any and all input, suggestions and even constructive criticism. We inspectors can sit back and watch licensing overtake us, built from a framework based on what outsiders feel we should be doing. PHPIO prefers to let inspectors decide their own futures. We are convinced, through many, many conversations and messages between various stakeholders, that licensing will be dropped on us very quickly when it happens. We want to be ready.

In British Columbia, even the most ardent promoters of licensing didn't expect the government to act until at least 2010. Suddenly, early this year, they decided sooner was better than later, and they caught everyone with their pants down. Before licensing there were about 650 inspectors in BC. Now there are about 300, mainly because 350 people wouldn't believe those who recommended everyone get prepared and properly trained, tested and certified.

Many of those who cannot now practice are members of NACHI, because the NACHI standards were found to not meet the standards of the licensing body.

In every province in which licensing is now being considered, the National Certification is the only common denominator and is becoming recognized as the benchmark.

Bill Mullen


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« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 01:23:21 PM »

Well then bill, drop your rhi and quit oahi since your group is the bee's knee's And as far as your 100 people... Do NOT speak on behalf of the other 1000 that don't want what your minority may want. What gives your group the right to dictate and how dare you wanting to control the certifying body of home inspectors!OAHI, CAHPI, ASHI ,NACHI , ARE THE TRUE LEADERS AND YOUR RENAGADE LITTLE CLUB DOES NOT EVEN RANK CLOSE TO THESE FINE GROUPS.And oahi was willing to work with the idea ......just not fast enough for you renagades! Divided you will stand!!


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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 01:45:18 PM »

I am proud that I earned my RHI and have no plans to give it up. Why should I ?? That has nothing to do with my disappointment about the leadership of OAHI.
The leaders of OAHI have made the association irrelevant, at least for the near future. CAHPI is a great association, but it is strictly National and does not get involved directly with provincial affairs. It also has no individual members.
ASHI is an American organization that has some good values but is not recognized ny Canadian governments because it is a foreign body.
NACHI is not only foreign, it is a joke, and a bad one at that.

PHPIO isn't telling anyone what to do. PHPIO is merely offering all inspectors an opportunty to see where they are going. You don't even have to join PHPIO to express your opinion.
As I said, PHPIO is also the only organization in Canada that has been recognized for its reasonable CAN-P-9 compliance.

Bill Mullen


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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2009, 02:28:15 PM »

Well here is my opinion,renegade little clubs are a bigger joke than NACHI ...but i understand that we all need playing time so when your done playing club house pick up your crayons clean up your mess and come home! OAHI, CAHPI, ASHI, NACHI.


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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 05:08:48 PM »

What happened to the last symposium by PHIPO, wasn't it cancelled due to lack of interest? And why invite real estate, don't they cause enough trouble as it is? It seems there's a hidden agenda here. I'm sure PHIPO and its members aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. You've asked before and there was no interest by the majority of Ontario's home inspectors so leave us alone and if licensing does come along PHIPO can say "I told you so ". Just my opinion.


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