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Roy Cooke
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« on: February 06, 2010, 03:22:53 PM »

I find it strange to see PHPIO had a press release about the industry and how you should hire a PHPIO inspector because they are well trained.
They need to see how good job some of their inspectors are not doing before making statements like this.
Their DPPC sure has no idea on proper handling of complaints .
PHPIO has a lot of improving to do on them selves .

 Roy Cooke sr.... Below was sent out to many agents in Ontario .


  
 
January, 2010

 

CBC's Market Place recently ran a program on Grow-Op Cover Ups, 'Can You Trust Your Home Inspector'.  Featured in the show were TV personality/contractor Mike Holmes and OAHI, CAHPI/Ontario president Glen Gogal.

The show emphasized the lack of knowledge and training that four home inspectors demonstrated in failing to recognizethe visible signs of homes previously used as Grow-Ops.   In the traditional Mike Holmes manner, some portions of the show were glamorized for TV. However, what was omitted, were some simple facts and truths about the home inspection profession in Ontario.  

As Mike Holmes pointed out, not all home inspectors are incompetent, but there was a need for improvement within our profession.  This is one area we are in total agreement, as our profession remains unregulated in Ontario.  For that reason alone, there are many people conducting home inspections that are not properly trained while others are falsifying their credentials as was pointed out during the show.  The fireplace was a major red flag missed by all the inspectors and in our opinion; mould should never be shrugged off as a minor defect.  

During a typical pre-purchase home inspection, a visual non-invasive inspection must be conducted and only if agreed upon by the vendor (the seller).  During  this inspection, one has to remember that neither the home inspector, nor their client (the purchaser) own this property and for this reason, are not permitted to roll up carpeting, remove pictures or mirrors, move furniture, or poke holes in walls, ceilings or floors.

Mr. Holmes usually conducts what is referred to as an "invasive inspection" where, with the permission of the homeowner walls or floors are removed.  When Mr. Holmes comes in, his invasive  inspection can mislead the viewing audience about what a home inspection should cover, how it must be conducted, what it should realistically uncover and Mike Holmes is not under the restrictions  that a professional home inspector must operate.  Envious circumstances perhaps, but not a very realistic depiction of the conditions and circumstances that the Ontario home inspection profession operates under.

Mr. Gogal', President of CAHPI-Ontario (OAHI) response on this issue was not helpful. It did nothing to reassure the consumer that the training offered their inspectors was geared to any protection from homes of this nature.  

PHPIO has been very pro-active in providing the training our inspectors need to identify Grow-Ops and Meth Labs.  Being in reasonable compliance with CAN-P-9, PHPIO cannot make this training mandatory for its membership but we do make it available as a continuing education recognized course.  

Clandestine Labs, Grow-Ops and Guns Seminars have been a huge success.   Working closely with The Home Inspectors Institute, the RCMP, Ottawa Drug Squad and First Responders, this training will be available again on April 16 2010 in Ottawa and will be recognized by PHPIO for continuing education credits.  Phase two of the Clandestine Labs, Grow-Ops and Guns Seminar (The Clean-Up Process)   is already in the works.    

PHPIO is a member driven organization open to the needs of the Consumer and Consumer Protection.  

In hiring a PHPIO inspector, a PHPI (Professional Home and Property Inspector) who has also successfully met the requirements of the NCA (National Certification Authority) is your assurance that you have hired a professional inspector. All full member PHPI's are National Certificate Holders.  The National Certification Program (NCP) is the NEW Gold Standard for Canadian home inspectors and is supported by CMHC (Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation).  PHPI's have proven their technical aptitude, expertise in report writing, communication skills, and powers of observation.  PHPI's are field tested during Test Inspections with a Peer Review process and must continually be re-tested every 5 years. The home inspection bar has been raised and only a select few home inspectors across Canada - measure up.

In an ever changing world, PHPIO leads the home inspection profession by example.  Discovering both the good and bad aspects of a home is what we do best!  We are all about Consumer Protection and offering the highest level of professional home inspection services available today.

To view the entire Marketplace airing of this show click on the link below or insert it into your browser

http://news.google.com/news/story?ncl=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/television/what-were-those-home-inspectors-smoking/article1423464/&hl=en  

 
Sincerely,

The PHPIO Board of Directors

 

 
 
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 08:17:29 PM »

I find it strange to see PHPIO had a press release about the industry and how you should hire a PHPIO inspector because they are well trained.
They need to see how good job some of their inspectors are not doing before making statements like this.
PHPIO has a lot of improving to do on them selves .

 Roy Cooke sr....

Roy,

Proof please...

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 10:28:50 PM »

Well at least PHPIO believes that they are the "new gold standard". Or is that "reasonably aligned" gold standard?
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 10:33:16 PM »

I find it strange to see PHPIO had a press release about the industry and how you should hire a PHPIO inspector because they are well trained.
They need to see how good job some of their inspectors are not doing before making statements like this.
PHPIO has a lot of improving to do on them selves .

 Roy Cooke sr....

Roy,

Proof please...

Sorry Marcel I see no advantage to giving you my proof .
If needed I have it solid and giving it to you is not doing the industry any good .
Can you give me any reason why I should release my evidence for all to see.
 Some things have to be kept from prying eyes. .... Roy



Roy,

You made a claim so back it up!

Or can you...me think not!
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 10:39:19 PM »

Well at least PHPIO believes that they are the "new gold standard". Or is that "reasonably aligned" gold standard?

George,

Your negative comments are getting very tiresome:Smiley.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 11:17:29 PM »

Sorry Bull, I mean Marcel. I will make a point of inluding more smilies for you.  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 10:40:10 AM »

Well this is just one more confirmation about the secret PHPIO .
They are parisites they use this and other Forums to gather information but share nothing where the many Ontario Isnspectors come to get information .


 
A Petition asking The Province Of Ontario to License All Private Home Inspectors
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 09:33:07 PM »

Roy, You made a claim so back it up! Or can you...me think not! [/quote]

 Well you think wrong!  and I see no reason to give you proof.

OAHI,CAHPI,PHPIO , seem to me to be nothing but a bunch of selfish Home Inspectors who think of no one but them selves .
Their forums are for them selves only .
They see nothing wrong by using other Forums to further their cause and do very little to help this industry .
They see nothing wrong with Using the ASHI,NACHI and the CANNACHI forums to further them selves and when asked to share information the give none .
 Thanks to ASHI,NACHI,And CANNACHI for allowing information to be traded and used by all .
 It is easy to see why these forum's and associations are liked .
 It is also easy to see why selfish associations like OAHI are decaying .
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So there is no proof...only tittle-tattle as per your usual!
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 10:34:01 PM »

Roy, You made a claim so back it up! Or can you...me think not! [/quote]

 Well you think wrong!  and I see no reason to give you proof.

OAHI,CAHPI,PHPIO , seem to me to be nothing but a bunch of selfish Home Inspectors who think of no one but them selves .
Their forums are for them selves only .
They see nothing wrong by using other Forums to further their cause and do very little to help this industry .
They see nothing wrong with Using the ASHI,NACHI and the CANNACHI forums to further them selves and when asked to share information the give none .
 Thanks to ASHI,NACHI,And CANNACHI for allowing information to be traded and used by all .
 It is easy to see why these forum's and associations are liked .
 It is also easy to see why selfish associations like OAHI are decaying .
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Roy,

Don't you need to be an ASHI member to go on their private forum?

You're being an ASHI member should know... Wink

From you comment above and I quote: *they are a bunch of selfish Home Inspectors who think of no one but them selves; their forums are for them selves only .*

Please Roy, don't be so hard on yourself... Grin Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2010, 07:37:14 AM »

Its remarkable how the merde seems to be constantly ignored by a so called professional body and so called voice of the industry. Here we have a well known spokesperson spouting off all manner of information knowing it to be false and You Marcel say nothing about it. Silence is to condone it!

Remember Marcel its not others spreading false info its CAHPI/NCA representatives in Ontario spreading propaganda. The same bunch who found it necessary to go cap in hand to CREA in order to get CREA to do the dirty work of CAHPI/NCA/PHPIO in their licencing efforts.

As to complaints its very obvious to me that PHPIO complaint process is faulty. I laid a complaint about someone very high up in OAHI promoting himself as some guru of TIPR yet is not a TIPR examiner.

I had to ask the secretary of NC if she got my email also had to ask if Claude got my complaint. Not one of these individuals had the decency to acknowledge the simplist of replies as any other professional body would have. Further when I asked for a complaint form I was told there wasn't one, then only to be told after a second inquiry that there was a complaint form. Since several weeks have passed I have not even been told of the status of my complaint. However through researching (something I am very good at) I have found out that my complaint has resulted in change in that this so called guru has been dropped from the agenda of presenters for the upcoming Winter Conference.

Yes Marcel that is very professional and it goes without saying that the same players and their incompetence and political stripping have and continue to do as they see fit and damn the consequences or any regard for professionalism and honesty. It more than appears that if your a friend or have a certain last name and in with the clique you have no worries.

If private corporations or public bodies operate in the manner continually demonstrated by your friends,  they would be on the CBC - Marketplace being exposed.

Now do you wish to dispute facts or do you wish to dispute fallacies?
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2010, 08:14:30 AM »

A sea change is coming Ray.
 Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin ( Pour mon ami)
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2010, 12:42:10 PM »

Its remarkable how the merde seems to be constantly ignored by a so called professional body and so called voice of the industry. Here we have a well known spokesperson spouting off all manner of information knowing it to be false and You Marcel say nothing about it. Silence is to condone it!

Remember Marcel its not others spreading false info its CAHPI/NCA representatives in Ontario spreading propaganda. The same bunch who found it necessary to go cap in hand to CREA in order to get CREA to do the dirty work of CAHPI/NCA/PHPIO in their licencing efforts.

As to complaints its very obvious to me that PHPIO complaint process is faulty. I laid a complaint about someone very high up in OAHI promoting himself as some guru of TIPR yet is not a TIPR examiner.

I had to ask the secretary of NC if she got my email also had to ask if Claude got my complaint. Not one of these individuals had the decency to acknowledge the simplist of replies as any other professional body would have. Further when I asked for a complaint form I was told there wasn't one, then only to be told after a second inquiry that there was a complaint form. Since several weeks have passed I have not even been told of the status of my complaint. However through researching (something I am very good at) I have found out that my complaint has resulted in change in that this so called guru has been dropped from the agenda of presenters for the upcoming Winter Conference.

Yes Marcel that is very professional and it goes without saying that the same players and their incompetence and political stripping have and continue to do as they see fit and damn the consequences or any regard for professionalism and honesty. It more than appears that if your a friend or have a certain last name and in with the clique you have no worries.

If private corporations or public bodies operate in the manner continually demonstrated by your friends,  they would be on the CBC - Marketplace being exposed.

Now do you wish to dispute facts or do you wish to dispute fallacies?


Ray,

Why are you trying to make a mountain out of a molehill?

Is life so miserable that you want to make everyone else's same Roll Eyes.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2010, 01:06:20 PM »

Marcel the fire will go out when you quit adding fuel .
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2010, 01:57:50 PM »

Marcel

The only person whose life I seem to be making miserable is yours. My apologies if you see no issue with a friend of yours repeatedly broadcasting information he knows to be wrong, not once, not twice but many many times  in order to try and gain members by fear.

Cheers,




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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2010, 02:48:16 PM »

My first post here, and strictly to offer another side of the information.

Raymond did you or did you not receive an email from me with respect to a concern with respect to the NCP?

Did you or did you not seem a bit bothered by the fact that I noted specifically that Wayne Christopher was the the DPPC chair? Yes you did in fact file a concern (complaint) with respect to a person you believe is to be acting as an TIPR examiner.

On another matter did the PHPIO DPPC try to resolve an issue with respect to another issue between the complainant and Bill Mullen? The answer to that is yes. Unfortunately, the resolution tabled was not agreed upon by the complainant. Within hours more fuel was added to keep those hostilities alive. - So don't blame the messenger of the committee that tried to resolve the complaint.

If the results are in your opinion unresolved, than that is unfortunate. It does not mean the system is wrong. But you are certainly entitled to express your opinion, as well as any other person. There is obviously no shortage of opinions.

So I appreciate the opportunity fron CanNACHI to offer information here, but refuse to make this a mockery. 

But do take exception to the fact of being noted as "the same players and their incompetence and political stripping have and continue to do as they see fit and damn the consequences or any regard for professionalism and honesty."

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